Tandläkar-/läkarprogrammet med 20,0? + some other questions

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Tandläkar-/läkarprogrammet med 20,0? + some other questions

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Hej!

Sorry if I’m asking from the wrong place, but I haven’t really come across any other Swedish discussion board concerning this subject, so... (if there is some other forum, please be so nice and direct me there) :roll:

If I have 20,0, how big my chances are in becoming accepted to KI’s tandläkarprogrammet? In other words, how many people apply there with 20,0 each year? And how about the other universities?
Also, is högskoleprovet recommendable/necessary/mandatory or can I just apply with my... [i:5189008d8e]betyg[/i:5189008d8e]/report?

I would of course like to try tapil too, but I think it might be pretty hard when my swedish isn’t quite that good. Or does anyone know about foreigners’ success in it, does the school clearly prefer Swedes to non native speakers?

How does this första hand, andra hand etc. system work, if KI’s tandläkarprogrammet is my first choice and for example läkarprogrammet the second and then some other school’s tandläkarprogrammet the third, does it lower my chances with the two latter ones or is it downright useless to put läkarprogrammet as any other than first?

And then, because I don’t live in Sweden and no one here knows anything about the Swedish education system: Tell me there isn’t going to be changes in the applying any year soon. I’ve just put all my effort on this 20,0 thing and it would be a catastrophe if the system would change before I got the chance to apply (spring 08 -->)

Sorry for not writing in swedish, I tried, but it turned out so funny that I just thought it might be better this way. Answers are appreciated, in any language (ok, mainly in Swedish/English/Finnish)! :roll:

Oh, and one more thing, what do you Swedes really think about Finns? I’ve heard rumours that being a Finn in Sweden is pretty painful because everyone hates you, but that just seems so weird that I’m not believing it. :?:
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Well, I don't want to answer your other questions because I feel I lack experience but regarding högskoleprovet I can make a short remark without sugarcoating it for you. Seeing as you are not comfortable maneuvering through the swedish vocabulary at this point there is no way you will score high since basically the entire test is in swedish and the questions are complex and designed to confuse, even the native born.

Besides the parts LÄS and ORD are about reading and proving you have a very good grasp of the swedish language, you might ace the NOG and DTK parts if you have the knowledge and somehow succeed to not misinterpret any of the questions but missing two major parts of the test there is simply no way you will be able to score high. At least not at this point, I'm not saying you wouldn't have a good chance if you learned swedish.

The ELF part is 100% in english so that's the only one that's going to be fair for you.

As far as raciscm against finns goes my personal experience is that it's worse in Finland against swedes than vice versa here.

Good luck, I hope you make it.
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Isn´t TAPIL possible to do in english? The test is about writing an essay and I´m really not sure, but that should be possible to do in english.

If you have 20.0 in swedish grades you don´t even have to do TAPIL or the High School Test to be able to apply for a post.
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If ur grades r 20.0 that basically means that u get in on any education in sweden (since its the highest grade possible). Then again läkarprogrammet and some other similar educations do have the highest acceptance grades in the school system. You normally need about 18.5-20 grades depending on which school and specific education. Heres a link to the grades needed for entering higher education studies previous terms:

http://www.vhs.se/templates/Page.aspx?id=1006

When u apply first u do a rankin of the programs, or mostly common schools where u want to go to called Förstaval, Andraval etc. What u choose as first, second and so on has no affect on weather u get accepted or not. They r handled independet from each other. The reason for applyin for several is simply that if ur grades r to low for the first school then they might be good for second or third etc. Their is first one application round where u apply for all ur choices on where/what to study, u chose wether to apply for one or more. Next stage is telling u on how many of these u got accepted. Then u have to choose which one of these educations u want to start at, the second and final application. U r put in a que in the ones u werent accepted to, if u choose so, because when everyone has chosed which ones of their options to study then obviously there will be a drop out on their 2nd or 3d choices which gives the students who didnt make it on the first round, n were put in que a chance to get accepted. So most times the second application has a lower acceptance grade( since 2nd, 3d choices not r included) Normally the grades required for entrance in more "popular" schools (lund, uppsala etc) r alot higher than less "popular" schools. This doesnt tell that much of the programs quality though, its rather just a result of pupils preferences on where to study, attractive student life, big citites etc.

Theres no point in doin högskoleprovet since u either apply with ur grades OR with högskoleprovet. Normally programs accept about 66 % of the applicants from previous exams/grades and 33% from Högskoleprovet. With a good grade u have all the advantages of applyin, in relation to a good score on HP. (and ur probably smarter ;)
Swedish education system is constantly working to internationalize every part of the institution and to make it appealing for international students. Theres a very high rate of international students in sweden compared to EU standards. Looking at international standards, certificates issued to swedish universities, media reports, university bulletins etc i would say that sweden offers internationally competative programs with broad and diverse choices.

I would recommend u to contact the Studievägledare, student coordinator at the universities u r interested in. Normally theres one for each faculty. Once again since im a swede u shouldnt trust my recommendations completely since im not to familiar with the procedures, :P but i reckon this is the best place to start at when u want to study as a foreign student. The coordinators handles with all enquires from potential, current students and will help on where to turn.
As i said im under the impression that sweden offers a very friendly,serious and professional help to international students also in the procedure to become a student. In most cases, especially programs like doctor etc, foreign students have the same choices of courses etc, as the swedes.
U might find some useful information too on Högskoleverket www.hv.se which is the governing body for higher education in Sweden.

Considering the finns... I blatantly reckon theres some racism in sweden..U will probably never hear a swede say it or recognize it as racism in any form but MY opinion is that they r generally a bit looked down on..Probably undeliberate n very secularised... That u would find more people in finland bein not to happy bout swedes probably springs from our previous rule over them n that the parlament still have to speak swedish...Maybe u could say its a micro version of england-ireland..

hope ive been to some help n not too confusing!
if u have any more questions i will, with my shortage in experience, try to help steppinout_david@hotmail.com
good luck and if so, have a good time in sweden!
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I would like to disagree with one thing: There IS a point in doing högskoleprovet if you can get a good score on it, you don't apply with either that or your grades but both. If you want to get into medicine or dentistry it may not be enough to have 20,0 as those that have that exceed the number of places available in the programmes.

Then again, I do agree that if Swedish isn't your first language it's probably very hard to get a good score on högskoleprovet and in that case there is no point in doing it.

As for racism, of course it exists here as everywhere, both against finns, norwegians and others, but most normal people you will meet won't care if you are from Finland or anywhere else. Students are normally pretty open-minded compared to the rest of the population too (is my experience).

Good luck with everything!
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Besides, in Stockholm it is more important how much money you've got and what your social status is, than where you come from. Since Stockholm is relatively close to Finland, there should be no real problem with being Finnish there.

At most, people might expect you to enjoy having a sauna while drunk and carrying a knife. ;)

(and you might also hear such stories as "Vad heter Finlands sämsta bonde? Maski Halonen.", "Vad heter Finlands främsta skidåkare? Hacki Hälonen." and "Vad heter Finlands bästa boxare? Ranta Runtiringen." - basically the tongue-in-cheek friendly neighbour-country taunting that the nordic peoples so enjoy :D )

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Haha Nisse, those stories are so clockcleana, för att bli lite svengelsk. :P
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If one has 20.00, the chances of being accepted at KI is usually good.

And no, the "högskoleprovet" is not mandatory.
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[quote:202bcee4d8="Cent"]If one has 20.00, the chances of being accepted at KI is usually good.

And no, the "högskoleprovet" is not mandatory.[/quote:202bcee4d8]

For dentistry, not medicine..
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Re: Tandläkar-/läkarprogrammet med 20,0? + some other questi

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[quote:69c08fb02b="tuuli"]Hej!
Oh, and one more thing, what do you Swedes really think about Finns? I’ve heard rumours that being a Finn in Sweden is pretty painful because everyone hates you, but that just seems so weird that I’m not believing it. :?:[/quote:69c08fb02b]

...ei ole tähän mennessä ollut mitään suurempia ongelmia :wink:
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Oj Kattis, du visar prov på dolda talanger! :)
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Javisst :D
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[quote:42a0d06fba="kattis"]Javisst :D[/quote:42a0d06fba]

Halvt eller helt finsk? :roll:
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Helt finsk fast helt född i Sverige. Man är ju barn till 70-talets enorma finne-invandring. Vi finns överallt.
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Haha, jo tack, min ena päronhalva fördes också hit med den stora finska 70-talsstormen. Mitt finska ordförråd är dock inte större än gemene svensks, tyvärr...
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